Re: Opinion on dome web sites...

Once again, too much explanation.  If I LIKED the
Mercedes, but had money only for the Chevy, how the 
hell would I KNOW unless the basic prices are 
ADVERTISED - DUH!!!  Would YOU pick up ANYTHING in
a store and head for the check out counter without
having a CLUE what the price is????  And, have you
found out after purchasing an item, that you could
have bought it at 20% less from another store?  Smart
shopping means the consumer LOOKS, COMPARES, STUDIES,

I believe and will continue to believe, that if ANY
company wants to bring a potential customer back, 
BASIC prices should be available at no cost.  Anyone
else wants to comment, have at it, but I've said my
peace, will stick by my belief and don't feel obliged
to defend it any longer.


On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:21:21    John Belt wrote:
>	Sorry Cat, but i am with the dome companies on the issue at hand
>on price lists.  Anyone who has been in any type of custom work can tell
>you that too much interest in the price list too early in the process is
>probably not a strong candidate for being a purchaser.  The companies have
>a lot of investment in capital, idea development and their lives in their
>work. I have had little problem in getting serious answers to serious
>detail from any company i have contacted.  The prime consideration for
>prices should come out of exploring the size and type of construction one
>desires and an inquiry as to the companies ability to be able to fit one
>of their custom or standard packages into a budget range of the purchaser.
>Most dome companies seem to be more than willing to spend a great deal of
>time to educate prospective clients to mildly interested inquiries where 
>they know from experience that a sale is not likely.  
>	It just seems to me that judging a car or dome, new or used and 
>with a fixation on price from a newspaper ad, brochure or internet page
>could easily make it a disaster for both buyer and seller.   Kicking the
>tires and going with price without getting into the detail of the car to
>your needs puts you and the seller at less than a fair chance of picking
>the right product for you.  Those with whom i have contact seem to care 
>about the right things.  Range pricing for the early contacts it seems
>would give reasonable wiggle room for some market changes (except in
>current market) and competetive edges for basic dome packages and provide
>a window of reasonable opportunity for knowing if mutual interest
>could be attained.  Just because we see a price listed for a car, house
>or dome printed in any medium we all know that in the case of most durable
>goods or is seldom the selling price.  It isn't an LL Bean
>mail order product that allows for no custom(er) changes of
>specifications.  All vests are not created equal.
>	Nathan and Dennis have been most helpful to me in providing
>information on their products through donation of brochures and catalogs
>for instructional use.  Having designed and printed similiar ad products i
>know how hard it is for them to afford and keep them for those who will
>make it to the building stage and they are tough percentages.  Most of
>all i appreciate the time they have spent in answering direct emails and
>posts on the list and taking the time to explain construction details,
>systems and now the comparing of systems to price lists.  There are a 
>couple of companies that have not responded to my mail but it is rare.
>	The old adage that "the customer is always right" to me is BUNK,
>HOWEVER, "the customer is always the customer"/jb, even if they are wrong!
>i suspect that anyone who invests a personal phone call and shows an
>educated inquiry to any of these companies will be treated with a great
>deal of respect and personal attention and get the best price which most
>likely will not be the printed price.  Did you pay the printed window
>price for your car?, i doubt it.  If you have not been in retail or 
>wholesale business, try it once or twice if you want a fast learning 
>curve, it ain't easy but it can be rewarding if you are tough enough
>to take the pounding.
>	Regardless, i admire your spunk and contribution to the list
>and your point as well as that of Nathan and Dennis and others.  And
>i am right here at the screen but this Kevlar vest is pretty hot, but
>the price was right, hope i don't need it.
>	Regards and Peace to all,  jb............   ,:-D#
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>On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Cat wrote:
>>  Y'know, when someone spends THIS much time explaining,
>> I believe it's something OTHER than a "simple"
>> explanation.  It's justification.  'Nuff said...
>> Cat
>> --
>> On Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:03:36   solo wrote:
>> > Per page charge for B/W and a separate one for color pages (reasons 1&2)
>> >    Online download, no cost if you have a presence on the web.
>> >
>> >Offer a sheet (or like that is interactive) that lists
>> >your features and the price.  Different dome shell sizes, different
>> >features such as bump outs, cupola, extensions, garages, risers, etc. etc.
>> >If this was interactive, the customer could actually click on what they
>> >wanted, which would bring up a separate box showing a line drawing with
>> >that feature, total square feet and the price.  When done with their
>> >additions, it would at least give them the total square feet, and the total
>> >square feet with at least 5 foot headroom.  
>> >
>> >Then the customer could move to finishings to the dome:  interior and
>> >exterior (if this is done by your company) such as roofing, siding,
>> >insulation, etc.  On this price list, the per square costs is listed, but
>> >when they add this to the design, it is calculated for the square footage
>> >of the dome + extras that they already selected (materials and labor).
>> >There doesnt have to be that many selections.  Those wanting teak could be
>> >told to request a quote.  
>> >
>> >Interior work, such as electrical and plumbing is standard for the most
>> >part and rated per foot, and per bathroom.  Interior walls etc could be
>> >handled by showing  typical floor plans for different sized domes with no
>> >finished basement (or no basement at all).  1st floor,  1/2 second floor
>> >with typical divisions for bathrooms and bedrooms,  or 1st with 3/4 second
>> >floor for larger domes.  As far as finishings, I am sure they can be
>> >grouped generally into "bare bones", "suburban" and "deluxe" with
>> >descriptions of per foot costs for these (materials and labor).  Again,
>> >those wanting more complex, or individual designs can be asked to request a
>> >quote.  Even better is to list the savings in costs and labor at each stage
>> >over conventional square buildings.  Ingrid
>> >
>> >At 11:33 AM 8/31/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>> >catalogs and planning packages 
>> >>1. expensive/>2. waste time on those not serious
>> >
>> >reason why we typically do not include the price list
>> >small part of the story.  
>> >no clear way to compare dome companies offerings, 
>> >different methods to build and supply systems of different level of
>> >completion. 
>> >tells you very little about the finished cost of the home, as this depends
>> >on the complexity and size of the home more than it does on the kit cost.
>> >> 
>> >end
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>> >solo   List manager- Puregold
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