RE: Thought experiment
- To: "'domesteading at sculptors dot com'" <domesteading at sculptors dot com>
- Subject: RE: Thought experiment
- From: Forest Brown <fbrown at PIC-ONLINE dot com>
- Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:14:33 -0500
Wouldn't it be much more sensible to concentrate on
homes based on terra firma than to venture into such
an ambitious undertaking as a floating city? Land is
still available, and offers many advantages over water
as the foundation for permanent living quarters. "Water-
world" cities are entertaining to think about, but it seems
to me it is still a dreamer's area so far as actual realization
of a workable solution to any perceived world-wide housing
problem. If the objective is to be productive, then I think
the effort should be expended in an area where there is
a much better chance of success. Just a thought.
From: Charles J Knight [mailto:c dot knight at juno dot com]
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 10:33 PM
To: domesteading at sculptors dot com
Subject: Re: Thought experiment
> Ok, we all know (or at least believe) that the dome is strong,
> flexible, and amazing.
> But could a large (very large? Small?) dome be made into a type of
> sufficient Atol (floating island)
> that trolls the ocean.
How do you want to use the dome? Do you want to use it as the
underlying structure, or as the cabin?
A dome is simple enough to build...make a model!
Also...how self-sufficient are we talking? Self contained ecosystem,
capable of *total* self-sufficiency, or is it okay to still trade with
> the electricity you need and then some. Eggbeater style rotors or
Do you mean Voith-Schneider props for propulsion? They are used
on tugboats, a lot. They provide 360 degree control...vectored
thrust, with rather simple equipment. A nice technology...not sure
about their efficiency, though.
> What I'm most concerned with in this idea is weathering storms.
Even natural islands have a hard time weathering storms without
damage. One possibility is to enclose it completely, like a giant
terrarium. That way, it wouldn't matter, even if a tidal wave
completely covered it in water briefly -- so long as the wave didn't
compromise its structural integrity.
Otherwise, if it was built big enough, anything less than tidal waves
could be shrugged off. Its "beach" could absorb the damage, limiting
damage to a "narrow" strip around the edge.
> Anyway, I'm a halfway decent 3D modeler, And I kinda want to "build"
> this thing. So any ideas would be appreciated.
Bucky's concept for a floating city was that of a giant tetrahedron. In
the center is the industrial complex -- the outside "skin" provided
views for housing, and space for limited agriculture. The terraced outer
skin prevents a potential disaster...falling out of your balcony, and
to your death. You'd just fall a floor or two at most -- you'd be hurt,
not too badly.
His concept was appx 1 mile on a side, if memory serves. But it wasn't
meant for total self-sufficiency. It was meant to house 1 million people
inside Tokyo Bay...that type of thing. It was a city...
-- Chuck Knight
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